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August 18, 2005

Planets 9, 10, 15 and 8 again.

Navarre of the Mooted Point writes:

Dr. Meathe,
This whole situation concerning the tenth planet is becoming convoluted along with talk of declassifying Pluto as a planet. Can you tell us, what WOULD be an acceptable name for a tenth planet (strike Xena right now) AND what exactly makes a celestial body a planet since people are getting all huffy over poor icy Pluto now.

Bastard. I didn't think people were going to ask hard questions. And so we enter the realms of angels and heads of pins.

The basic definition of planet is "A nonluminous celestial body larger than an asteroid or comet, illuminated by light from a star, such as the sun, around which it revolves." Beig roughly spherical, compressed under it's own mass rather than the uneven shape of a 'lump'o'rock' asteroid helps quite a bit too.

So it's a thing that isn't self illuminated (not a star) that revolves around a star but is bigger than an asteroid or comet. Which is one of those loosly worded definitions that just causes problems down the track, with a lot of wiggle room to argue.

Some astronomers think Pluto is just one of many similar objects in the Kupier belt and not really a planet. Other astronomers want as many as 15 objects classified as planets (and more again in the future as they're discovered and they wish to approach immortality by stitching their name to a planet).

Currently, the cut-and-dry approach is to adopt the standards of the International Astronomical Union, which lists the ones you learnt at school from Mercury to Pluto. It classifies objects orbiting the sun as minor planets, major planets, asteroids, comets and trans-Neptunian objects.

Orcus, Ixion, 2002 UX25, Varuna, 2002 TX300, 1996 TO66, 2003 EL61,Quaoar, 2005 FY9, 2002 AW197, 2002 TC302, 2003 UB313 and Sedna are things in orbit, the size of Pluto or larger which do not enjoy planetary status and the perks of being rote-learned by small children that it conveys.

Sedna is a bit odd, and further out. It's (usually) considered part of the Oort cloud, which is roughly one light year away - or one quarter the way to the nearest star to the sun.

The IAU is moving toward this definition: "A planet is a body that directly orbits a star, is large enough to be round because of self gravity, and is not so large that it triggers nuclear fusion in its interior." which neatly keeps Jupiter as a planet (it emits more heat than it gets from the sun, but isn't quite large enough to compress under it's own gravity enough to turn into a star - it needs to be about 70x bigger for that).

So, the final answer:

An acceptable name would probably be greek, latin or old-english in origin (eorthe->erthe->Earth, the latin was Terra or Tellus, Gaia in Greek), simply to be in keeping with the rest of them (at least for english speaking astronomers) - though they'll run out of infernals shortly.

It's a planet because the men in white coats who study such things tell us it is so. And we accept without question because they're the ones in white coats, and just perhaps they have access to those straight jackets and we don't like those. Currently Pluto is one. If they adopt the definition above, Pluto will keep it's status. There are others on the table which would definitely deregister Pluto.

Next question will not be "how long is a peice of string?"


Follow up Q/A

I always thought Persephone(G)/Persipina(R) would have been better for Pluto's moon, Charon (though, again, it would be odd to have the spring goddess locked in a frozen embrace). Charon would be better suited for something inside the Kupier belt, floating in the river of forgotten near-planets, like UB2003-313, the one the original question was about. But that's all named now, with no thought of consulting me on it, so we just have to make the best of it.

Thanatos (Death), Pontus (Deep sea) and Nix (Night) would be the front running names for me, in roughly that order.

As for the Norse, they already have the Sun (which is larger than all the other stuff in the solar system combined), and as an additional bonus, days of the week.


Sunna day - English "Sun" is from the norse "Sunna"
Mani's day - The Norse name for the Moon is Mani
Tyr's day - Anglified into Tues.
Oden's day - but Oden was also know as Woden, so it was Wodensday.
Thors's day
Freya's day

Saturn's day is the only greek-inspired day of the week.

Scrawled illegibly by Meathe at August 18, 2005 09:38 PM

Comments

And what would be the name of the object if you had the opportunity to name it. Persephone seems logical in the sense of being close to Pluto, but what do I know.

And why do the Greeks and Romans get all the fun... the Norse always get dissed. How about calling it Loky!

Personally I always liked to refer to Earth as Terra, but thats just me.

Posted by: Navarre at August 18, 2005 10:41 PM



I am personally a fan of Minerva or Juno for the new planet myself. It would be nice to get another Goddess in the line up.

Posted by: Utopia at August 19, 2005 09:57 AM



I like Charon and Thanatos, and Minerva too. Though Loky is still appealing... isn't Juno already a moon of Jupiter (can never remember them all... Europa,Io, blah blah blah)

Like I said, I prefer using Terra=Earth (Gaia has never appealed to me) and Luna=Moon and Sol=Sun... just to be difficult.

(Ed:) Juno is a NASA mission to Jupiter, slated for launch in 2010 and not a moon.

Posted by: Navarre at August 19, 2005 12:06 PM